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Statistique édifiante. Avec des buteurs de qualité, on aurait donc une des meilleures attaques de PL, et on serait beaucoup mieux classés.
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une question les gars vous penser quoi de james beatie le joueur d'everton ca serai un bon apport non?
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PostSubject: Re: The debate on why we are not scoring   The debate on why we are not scoring - Page 2 EmptyWed 8 Mar 2006 - 15:07

Il a été un grand espoir quand il jouait à Southampton, il a fait une ou deux très belles saisons dans les années 2000, mais je crois qu'il n'est pas assez fort pour Liverpool.
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I just can't see where he would fit inour side, Beattie is a counter attacking forward who is at his best when chasing long balls played out of defense.

Not exactly how we play is it?
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I expect this thread to become obsolete after our lads finaally click against Benfica tonight.
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We don't need another striker we need confidence.
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PostSubject: Re: The debate on why we are not scoring   The debate on why we are not scoring - Page 2 EmptyWed 8 Mar 2006 - 16:23

I just think we need a little bit of luck.

I also think that it is a case of who plays with Fowler out of the other 3 stikers and that whover Raffa picks he should let them have decent run of games to build a partnership.

Crouch would be my choice.
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PostSubject: Re: The debate on why we are not scoring   The debate on why we are not scoring - Page 2 EmptyWed 8 Mar 2006 - 21:49

let some unexpected players start taking the corners to let gerrard and alonso attack, from the edge of the box with a drop down header or a riffled shot from a poor clearance. that might change our luck from corners !!!

crouch needs to get stronger, so oftern his headers are weak or to high, giving the goalkeeper plenty of time to react.

fowler has to get sharper physically but we all knew that before he came, he can get goals from inside the six yard box no probleme but there needs to be a better understanding between the strickers on the pitch, they have to stick to the role rafa sets them with for the benefit of the team as a whole.

nando has to show more heart towards liverpool and the english game play, especially the premiership, its hard for contenentals to shine overhere but he has got what it takes to do that but time is running out for him. for me its a question of do or bust, if he doesnt do by the end of the season he's bust at anfield.

cisse has maybe got alot on his mind at the moment, family, world cup, etc.
he needs to concentrate on his football and get it together for lfc. if he does go we will never get anything like £14m for him so i say he stays, sorts his life out and trys to start enjoying his football on a day to day basis and stop thinking long term; if he gets it right daily, those dailys turn into long term !!

in the summer we need to find a 20 goal a season striker, maybe £10 000 a goal might help ?

at the end of the day i dont care who scores aslong as the team win but its sad to see strikers turning into squibbs :-(((((((((((((((


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I saw Phil Thompson on TV last night talking after the match and he was pretty straight talking about our stikers. He beleives that Raffa could well clear the lot of them out at the end of the season. No exceptions!

It has got to the stage where stikers are paid to score goals, not provide good link up play outside the box or deft flick ons inside the box or occupy the attentions of defenders but quite simply put the ball in the back of the net.

Not so too difficult a task to understand really is it?
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PostSubject: Re: The debate on why we are not scoring   The debate on why we are not scoring - Page 2 EmptyThu 9 Mar 2006 - 15:43

L'équipe est équilibrée partout sauf en attaque où on ne joue qu'avec des remiseurs. Je ne suis pas d'accord quand on dit qu'il faut changer toute la ligne d'attaque, il faut la compléter pour trouver l'équilibre.
Gonzales va (je l'espère) bouger Kewell qui est vraiment trop inconsistant, un milieu droit fera pareil avec Garcia, et au centre il nous faut DE LA PUISSANCE (ou je sais je me répète) mais ça crève les yeux non ?
Et si j'ai un tout petit reproche à faire à Rafa c'est d'avoir prété Mellor.
Gardons Crouch et Fowler et séparons nous au plus vite de Moro et de Cissé.
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Ok Yves I think you have to realise a couple of points. Garcia is not a right winger he is filling in until we get one. Kewell is being marked out of matches. Teams who play against us double up on Kewell making him look ineffectual. They can afford to do this besause they know we have no real threat on the other wing. The harlton game was the perfect example Kewell always had at least 2 defenders to beat whilst Charlton left Cisse completely unmarked.

You comments about balance apply to the whole side, Garcia best position is playing in behind the front in a supporting role in the hole. Raffa has never been allowed the luxury of playing him here. For me it is becoming increasingly obvious that Crouch cannot consistently find whichever team mate he is paired with. There is just no predicting where the ball will go when Crouch wins it and sadly despite his height his heading ability is very poor. Morientes was supposed to give us the option of winning the ball in the air or just holding it up to allow the midfield to move up. Sadly I am tired of watching Morientes going through the motions and being a poor imitation of a striker. Why doesn't Raffa just let him go he is patently not happy at Liverpool. Cisse we have discussed and discussed he is an enigma that will probaly do well elsewhere but not in our team. Fowler hasn't been at the club long enugh to be judged to be fair to him. I think the decision to lend Mellor was probably right he never did enough to be a automatic choice. I did not see the send of loan FSP out though whose record at Liverpool was as good as any of the present encumbents.
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D'accord avec toi, Yves. Et pui, puisqu'il faut garder un remiseur et que Rafa y tient, Crouch me parait le meilleur dans ce role. Moro ne s'adaptera jamais a la PL, quant à Cissé... il se bat, mais semble un peu perdu sur le terrain, et surtout ne pèse pas beaucoup sur la défense sans ballon.
Il faut un vrai finisseur, pour moi il faudrait un joueur comme Owen: bon finisseur, vif, rapide et aussi capable par ses courses et ses appels, de peser sur la défense sans ballon.
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Je pense et j'espere autant que vous que Djibril partira de toute façon c'est le seul qui est encore vendable.
Faut qu'il parte.
Mais arreter de vivre dans le passe c'est certain qu'a vos yeux il n'y a eu que owen parce qu'il fut bon mais ne negliger pas les autres.
Car c'est vrai il etait bon a liverpool ais faut avancer et non pas reculer.
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djib-the-boss wrote:
Je pense et j'espere autant que vous que Djibril partira de toute façon c'est le seul qui est encore vendable.
Faut qu'il parte.
Mais arreter de vivre dans le passe c'est certain qu'a vos yeux il n'y a eu que owen parce qu'il fut bon mais ne negliger pas les autres.
Car c'est vrai il etait bon a liverpool ais faut avancer et non pas reculer.

Le départ d'Owen n'a pas été comblé. je n'ai jamais dit qu'il n'y a eu que owen, je ne suis pas particulièrement fan du bonhomme; mais il faut avouer qu'il manque à l'équipe un joueur comme lui.
Cissé le seul vendable? Certes, mais au vu de l'investissement, ça va être difficile de récupérer nos billes. Et lui a interet à revoir ses prétentions salariales a la baisse s'il veut trouver un club.
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Ok Aurel, you have raised the valid question of money.

So how much do you think we would get for our present strikeforce of
Morientes, Fowler, Cisse and Crouch if we put them all up for sale at the end of the season.

Personally I am fed up hearing people say bring Owen back. he couldn't score goals for us when the whole team was set up to play for him. Or is it tjust that some of our fans have short memories or even worse selective memories that only remember his good moments.

Don't forget that for 18 months Owen just sulked in Liverpool shirt prior to him leaving. I think if you look at this goals scored during this time he was not a lot better than what we already have!
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Meme si je suis un fan d'Owen je pense quil n'est plus la solution.Depuis 2001,combien de saisons sans blessures diverses et notamment des blessures musculaires à répétition?C'est un formidable buteur mais a t'il encore l'ame d'un red,je n'en suis pas sur.Sa méfiance à l'égard de Rafa et de son système de jeu à son arrivée fait que ce dernier ne veut pas entendre parler du retour de M.O. à Liverpool.

Quant au problème d'argent,ce n'en est pas un pour moi , liverpool n'a jamais eu la tradition (hormis l'époque GH n'est ce pas Yves! nananere ) d'exploser son porte monnaie.La solution se trouve dans les jeunes que l'on a recruté et formé depuis 2 ans.Il faudra peut etre patienter 1 ou 2 ans avant de retrouver les sommets de la CL mais ce sont ces joueurs éduqués à la mode scouser et avec certaines valeurs qui redonneront au club les sommets de la PL. LFC scarf

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Fabrice, je n'aurai qu'un smiley : bravo
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et moi deux: bravo cheers
la youth cup c'est ce soir en direct sur le site officiel youpi
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Je crois que je vais suivre ça de près LFC scarf
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PostSubject: Re: The debate on why we are not scoring   The debate on why we are not scoring - Page 2 EmptyTue 14 Mar 2006 - 12:44

sondage trouvé dans le liverpool echo aujourd'hui.je savais pas trop ou le mettre:
WHAT do you think is the Reds best strike partnership?

Crouch / Fowler
24.45%

Cisse / Fowler
56.76%

Morientes / Cisse
2.92%

Crouch / Cisse
6.97%

Fowler / Morientes
4.55%

Morientes / Crouch
4.36%
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ils sont d'accord avec la plupart d'entre nous.
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Quoi qu'on en dise Cisse a encore la cote du cote d'anfield.
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juste une precision je ne sais pas le nombre de votant.mais moi je peux vous dire que je fais partie de la majorité sur ce coup la.
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Moi sans hesiter
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Je reste persuadé que Crouch-Fowler est la paire la plus complémentaire, même si Fowler n'a pas tout a fait le physique pour un match entier.
Mais on peut tester Cissé-Fowler sur quelques matchs.
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