the Times vient de publier un classement des meilleurs 50 entraineurs de l'histoire.
Rafa est 33ème tandis que Bob Paisley et Bill Shankly sont classés parmi les 10 premiers.

Citation:

.... 33. Rafael Benitez. The goatee beard does him no favours but, after impressing at Valencia, the Spaniard need only clinch a Premiership title with Liverpool to go shooting up the list. A bit more flair would be welcome to go with the trophies. ...... 10. Arsene Wenger. Ranked above managers who have won more and with very good reason. A champion of style and sporting beauty and, most remarkably, a football man you can take at his word. There is not a single club that has not coveted him in the last ten years. 9. Miguel Munoz. He inherited the great Real Madrid side and probably did not have to do much from the sidelines as Puskas, Di Stefano and the rest stuffed Eintracht Frankfurt 7-3 to win the European Cup in his first season. But he also went on to win nine titles and build the European club champions of 1966. 8. Bela Guttman. Jose Mourinho calls himself a special one but this brilliant and brash Hungarian is credited with establishing the cult of the manager. One of the pioneers of the attacking 4-2-4 formation, he enjoyed his greatest success at Benfica where, having recruited Eusebio, he secured successive European Cup victories in the early Sixties. "The third season is fatal," he said, although he rarely stayed long enough to find out. 7. Brian Clough. No doubt he would put himself top of the pile and his feats were truly extraordinary. He turned Derby County into league champions and Nottingham Forest into the best team in Europe. What a shame he was never given the opportunity to prove his talents with England but then he might have rubbed everyone up the wrong way like he did at Leeds. 6. Bob Paisley. Still the only coach to have three European Cup medals - although, unfairly, no knighthood - the unassuming son of a County Durham miner would have been too modest to trot out his great signings like Dalglish, Hansen, Souness and Rush. "Mind you, I wasn't only here for the good years," he once said. "One year, we came second." 5. Bill Shankly. The builder of another of football's great institutions, Shankly would surely have shared in Liverpool's later success in Europe had he not retired far too prematurely. It is hard to believe that Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan would have gone on to those later triumphs without his colossal influence. 4. Sir Alex Ferguson. After knocking over the Old Firm in Scotland, he has built a modern-day monster out of Manchester United and has done so with teams of flair and adventure. A giant of football and yet his CV will always have an unmissable hole without that second European Cup. Clinch that and perhaps we can elevate him into the top three. 3. Ernst Happel. A man of few words but many trophies, the Austrian was league champion in four different countries (Holland, Belgium, Germany and Austria). He also led Holland to the 1978 World Cup final. But what most impresses is that unfashionable Feyenoord and Hamburg have won the European Cup once each; Happel was the common denominator. Even Clough might be impressed at that CV. 2. Sir Matt Busby. If club-building scores high, then it is hard to look past the man who took over the reins at Manchester United in 1946 when Old Trafford was literally a bomb site. He then faced the most difficult of all rebuilding jobs when he lost a brilliant team, and almost his own life, in the great tragedy of Munich. Fergie has won more trophies but was there ever a more deserved triumph than United's 1968 European Cup victory? 1. Rinus Michels. The Dutchman, who died in 2005, was named coach of the century by FIFA in 1999. For once, that organisation knew what it was doing. The originator of Total Football, Michels won the European Cup with Ajax, the Spanish league with Barcelona and Euro 88 with Holland. He should also have won the 1974 World Cup. What's more, you would have paid Wembley prices to watch his teams.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2437525.ece

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Je suis bien heureux de voir ce faux-jeton de Clough derrière Paisley et Shankly.

Pourquoi tu considères Brian Clough comme une faux-jeton Kilkenny???

c'est difficile de comparer des entraineurs d'époque différentes,je trouve.
ça n'a rien à voir.

Ca m'aurait étonné!!!

Non, j'aurai plutôt pensé à un truc par rapport à la rivalité N. Forrest-Liverpool, un coup bas ou un truc du genre...

Pouah!!!

Putain, dire que je le respectais!

je suis très contente Wenger est 10eme en ayant gagner aucun titre europeen!

mais c'est un excellent entraineur

Je ne sais pas sur quels critères ils se sont basés, mais Fergie devant le grand Bill ça me fait mal...

Sans vouloir être irrévérencieux, si on privilégie le savoir tactique à la dimension charismatique, Bob Paisley ne devrait-il pas être devant Bill Shankly ?

Assez d'accord avec toi, Rafa. A la limite, d'ailleurs, les deux sont indissociables, car il ne faut pas oublier qu'Uncle Bob a longtemps été l'adjoint de Shanks, avant de passer sur le devant de la scène quand ce dernier a tiré sa révérence.

il me semble que slur alex fergusson a aussi été selectionneur de l'ecosse.

en tout cas,il me parait délicat de comparer les époques.
par exemple,bob paisley detestait parler aux médias,il me semble,il était très mal à l'aise face à une caméra ,ce qui,aujourd'hui,ne peut plus arriver,sinon,vous êtes vite viré.

voila c'est cela même.
tu résumes bien ma pensée.

dans le dvd des années 70 sur LFC,thommo dit que "à l'époque,tous les joueurs voulaient jouer pour LFC" ,bon,il est peut être un peu présomptueux,mais le fait est que tu te faisais sacrément envoyer chier ,quand tu etais joueur ,du temps de shankly,il te menait la vie dure,c'etait un peu "full metal jacket" de kubrik.

mais apparement tout le monde voulait jouer à LFC et à l'époque,c'etait moins pour l'argent qu'aujourd'hui,je pense,même si LFC etait le club le plus riche à l'époque.

J'ajouterais aussi que les critères de classement sont extrèmement difficile à mettre en place. En effet, la réussite d'un entraineur ne se résume pas seulement aux titres, mais aussi à la construction d'un club, à la formation...
Ce qu'a fait Guy Roux à Auxerre (quoi que l'on pense du personnage), me parait avoir autant de valeur que bien des titres.
Idem pour Shankly à Liverpool. Et puis, les résultats d'un entraineur dépendent aussi souvent du travail des prédecesseurs. (Shankly-Paisley par exemple)